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55 - CBT for Christians (feat. Dr. Michelle Pearce)

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How are thoughts, emotions, and behaviors connected? What can we do about that? Can CBT be integrated with spiritual & religious beliefs? This week’s guest, Dr. Michelle Pearce, drops by to chat with us about all of this. She talks us through the basics of CBT as well as what the implications are for therapists, faith leaders, and individuals themselves.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:
Michelle’s book
- CXMH episode 31 - Does It Matter If Your Therapist is a Christian?
- the Association for Behavioral and Cognitive Therapist’s directory: Find a CBT Therapist
- the American Association of Christian Counselors
- PsychologyToday
- TherapyDen
- the Spiritual Competency in Mental Health training program
- we mention CBT workbooks. Here’s one by Dr. Simon Rego & Sarah Fader: The 10-Step Depression Relief Workbook: A Cognitive Behavioral Therapy Approach

Connect with Michelle via email using or buy her book, Cognitive Behavioral Therapy for Christians with Depression: A Practical Tool-Based Primer on Amazon.

- “Our thoughts, our feelings, and our behaviors are all interconnected.” (tweet)
- “If we can change what we’re thinking, and/or change what we’re doing, we can change what we’re feeling.” (tweet)
- “You don’t have to be a CBT therapist to help someone start to shift thinking.” (tweet)

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.