a podcast at the intersection of Christianity & mental health.


17 - Grief & Loss (feat. John Pavlovitz & Dr. Elizabeth Horn)

We're back from our Memorial Day break, and we have so much to talk about! We hit 10k (and then 11k) listens! Robert's friends are listening to the show! Steve went to New York!

More importantly, we're joined this week by blogger & pastor John Pavlovitz and grief counselor Dr. Elizabeth Horn to talk about grief & loss. Are the stages of grief nonsense? What should we say to those who've experienced loss? Can we grieve things other than loved ones dying? We talk about all this and more!

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Intro/outro music on this episode is Hidden Personality by CloZee.

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